On 26 Apr 2006 10:24:27 -0700, al7yatkalima5@hotmail.com wrote:
>Jamen han er vel anst ved kommunen, lige som de andre drønnerter,.,, forøvrigt er han på samme sjak som jens vejmand,.
>Without a doubt, you have often heard the claim that Jesus is God, the
>second person in the "Holy trinity." However, the very Bible which is
>used as a basis for knowledge about Jesus and as the basis for doctrine
>within Christianity clearly belies this claim. We urge you to consult
>your own Bible and verify that the following conclusions are not drawn
>out of context:
>
>1. God is All Knowing.....but Jesus was not
>When speaking of the day of judgment, Jesus clearly gave evidence of a
>limitation on his knowledge when he said, "but of that day and hour
>knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the
>son, but the Father." Mark 13:32, and Matt 24:36. But God knows all.
>His knowledge is without any limitations. That Jesus, of his own
>admission, did not know when the day of judgment would be, is clear
>proof that Jesus is not all-knowing, and that Jesus is therefore not
>God.
>
>2. God is All Powerful.....but Jesus was not
>While Jesus performed many miracles, he himself admitted that the power
>he had was not his own but was derived from God when he said, "Verily,
>verily I say unto you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he
>seeth the Father do..." St. John 5:19. Again he said, "I can of mine
>own self do nothing: as I hear I judge: and my judgment is just;
>because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath
>sent me." St. John 5:30. But God is not only all-powerful, He is also
>the source of all power and authority. That Jesus, of his own
>admission, could do nothing on his own is clear proof that Jesus is not
>all-powerful, and that therefore Jesus is not God.
>
>3. God does not have a God.....but Jesus did have a God.
>God is the ultimate judge and refuge for all, and He does not call upon
>nor pray to any others. But Jesus acknowledged that there was one whom
>he worshipped and to whom he prayed when he said, "l ascend unto my
>Father and your Father, and to my God and your God." St. John 20:17. He
>is also reported to have cried out while on the cross, "My God, my God
>why hast thou forsaken me?" Matt 27:46. If Jesus were God, then
>couldn't this be read, "Myself, myself why hast thou forsaken me?"
>Would that not be pure nonsense? When Jesus prayed the Lord's prayer
>(Luke 11:2-4), was he praying to himself? When in the garden of
>Gethsemane he prayed, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup
>pass from me: Nevertheless not as I will but as thou wilt." Matt
>26:36-39. Was Jesus praying to himself? That Jesus, of his own
>admission and by his own actions, acknowledged, worshipped, and prayed
>to another being as God is clear proof that Jesus himself is not God.
>
>4. God is an invisible spirit.....but Jesus was flesh and blood
>While thousands saw Jesus and heard his voice, Jesus himself said that
>this could not be done with God when he said. "No man hath seen God at
>any time." St. John 1:18. '"Ye have neither heard His voice at any time
>nor seen His shape." St. John 5:37. He also said in St. John 4:24. "God
>is a spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in
>truth." That Jesus would say that no one had seen or heard God at any
>time, while his followers both saw and heard him, is clear proof that
>Jesus was not God.
>
>5. No one is greater than God and no one can direct Him but Jesus
>acknowledged someone greater than himself whose will was distinct from
>his own.
>Perhaps the clearest indication we have that Jesus and God are not
>equal, and therefore not one and the same, come again from the mouth of
>Jesus himself who said in St. John 14:28, "My Father is greater than
>I." When someone referred to him as good master in Matt 19:17, Jesus
>responded, "Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that
>is God..." Furthermore, Jesus drew clear distinctions between himself
>and God when he said, "I proceeded forth and came from God, neither
>came I of myself but He sent me." St. John 8:42. Jesus gave clear
>evidence of his subordination to God, rather than his equality with
>God,when he said in Luke 22:42, "not my will but thine be done" and in
>St. John 5:30, "I seek not mine own will but the will of the Father
>which hath sent me." That Jesus would admit that he did not come into
>the world on his own initiative but was directed to do so, that he
>would acknowledge another being as greater than himself, and that he
>would negate his own will in deference to affirming the will of
>another, give clear proof that Jesus is not the Supreme One and
>therefore Jesus is not God.
>
>Conclusion
>The Church recognizes the Bible as the primary source of knowledge
>about God and Jesus. But since the Bible makes it clear that Jesus is
>not the Supreme Being and the Supreme Being is not Jesus, upon what
>basis have you come to believe otherwise?
>
>My brother or sister, the belief that the Supreme Being is a Trinity is
>false and completely inconsistent with the words of Jesus as presented
>in the Bible. God is one, not three. He is a perfect unity.
>
>If you are interested in the truth about God and your relationship to
>Him, we invite you to investigate the religion of Islam.
>
>
>What is the word of God about Jesus:
>
>A. Regarding Sonship of Jesus:
>That is Jesus, son of Mary, in word of truth, concerning which they are
>doubting. It is not for God to take a son unto Him. Glory be to Him!
>When He decrees a thing he but says to it "Be", and it is. (Qur'an
>19:34,35).
>
>And they say, 'The All-merciful has taken unto Himself a son.' You have
>indeed advanced something hideous. The heavens are well nigh rent of it
>and the earth split asunder, and the mountains well nigh fall down
>crashing for that they have attributed to the All-Merciful a son; and
>it behoves not the All-Merciful to take a son. None is there in the
>heavens and earth but comes to the All-Merciful as a servant (Qur'an
>19:88-93).
>
>Truly the likeness of Jesus, in God's sight, is as Adam's likeness; He
>created him of dust, then said He unto him, "Be", and he was. (Qur'an
>3:59).
>
>People of the Book, go not beyond the bounds in your religion, and say
>not as to God but the Truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only
>the Messenger of God, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and a
>spirit from Him. So believe in God and His Messengers. and say not,
>'Three', Refrain, better is it for you. God is only One God. Glory be
>on Him - that He should have a son! To Him belongs that which is in the
>heavens and on the earth, God suffices for a guardian. (Qur'an 4:171)
>
>B. Regarding Jesus being God:
>And when God said. 'O Jesus son of Mary,did you say unto men, "Take me
>and my mother as gods, apart from God?" He Said, 'To You be Glory! It
>is not mine to say what I have no right to. If I indeed said it, You
>knew it, knowing what is within my soul, and I do not know what is
>within Your soul; You know the things unseen. I only said to them what
>You did command me: "Serve God, my Lord and your Lord." And I was a
>witness over them, while I remained among them; but when You did take
>me to Yourself the Watcher over them; You are the witness of
>everything. (Quran 5:116,117)
>
>C. Regarding Crucifiction of Jesus:
>And for their unbelief, and their uttering against Mary a mighty
>calumny, and for their saying, 'We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary,
>the Messenger of God'...yet they did not slay him, neither crucified
>him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. Those who are at
>variance concerning him surely are in doubt regarding him, they have no
>knowledge of him, except the following of surmise; and they did not
>slay him of certainty... no indeed, God raised him up to Him; God is
>Almighty, All-Wise. There is not one of the people of the Book but will
>assuredly believe in him before his death, and on the Resurrection Day
>he will be a witness against them. (Qur'an 4:156-159)
>
>
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