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[FUT:dk.admin.netmisbrug]

Mit firma modtog nedenstående e-mail - lad os kalde det spam, som
jeg nu har brugt en del tid på at efterforske - så jeg beder om
kvalificerede svar, som jeg med "sikkerhed" (intet er 100%) kan
bruge i den videre kommunikation med - lad os kalde ham spammeren,
uden at han sætter mig til vægs!

Da jeg modtog spammen fandt jeg selv direktivet på internettet som
spammen henviser til, men det er jo skrevet i jura-sprog, hvilket
ikke just er det nemmeste at sætte sig ind i - og så er der jo
alle fortolkningerne! Umiddelbart, som jeg læser direktivet
under "Unsolicited communications" stk. 2, så er det lovligt for
et firma, hvis det får fat i en e-mail adresse i forbindelse med
salg eller lignene, at bruge adressen ... - men vi har ikke taget
kontakt. Spammeren har fundet vores adrese ved at søge eller lade
en robot søge på vores hjemmeside.

Jeg er sådan set stadig ikke i tvivl om at spammeren har grebet
det forkert an, men jeg vil bare være sikker på at jeg ikke har
overset en paragraf og jeg vil egentlig gerne kunne fortælle
spammeren hvor han er gået galt i paragrafjunglen - ikke fordi jeg
tror det hjælper, men hvis nedenstående spam er en ny trend, så
vil jeg een gang for alle formulere min afvisning af spammerens
argumenter.

---- Spam(?)
Did you know?

European Directive 2002/58/EC
concerning "Privacy and electronic communications"
only permits e-mail direct marketing where
individuals have given their prior consent.

At Europe Information Service (EIS), it is our job to know this and
to inform our readers every day of developments in European
legislation and policy!

We also have a duty to act in accordance with European legislation
and to respect your privacy.

We are therefore asking your permission before sending you
commercial information regarding our services.

Would you like to discover EIS and receive information regarding
our news services and training in European affairs?

Yes, I would like to know more about EIS and I agree to be informed
of activities relating to European affairs: click here!
If you do not wish to know more, ignore this message. We will
respect your privacy and will not contact you further.

Yours sincerely,

osv. osv. - og derefter på fransk!

---- Svar fra spammeren

Madam, Sir,

We just received the enclosed complaining e-mail.

However, we must ask you to discard your complain. According to
the European legislation, an e-mail is considered a spam if it
contains any commercial information aiming at promoting a product
or service. What you received is precisely NOT a commercial e-mail.
Indeed, the e-mail which generated this complain (attached) is not
promoting any product/service nor offering any discount. It does
not even mention a website. The only information provided is the
name of our company, which is mandatory for transparency reasons
since anonymous e-mails are not permitted.

Furthermore, our message clearly indicates that no reaction is
requested from recipients who do not wish to be contacted. People
who will NOT react to this e-mail will systematically be deleted
from the list and we shall NOT contact them in the future. This is
hence not an "opt-out" but an "opt-in" message as mentioned in the
e-mail itself.

Last but not least, the message was specifically designed in full
compliance with the EU legislation with regard to protection of
privacy and unsollicited electronic commercial messages. It was
developed according to the conclusions of a series of consultations
with EU law specialists in the field of privacy protection and
e-mail marketing.

We suggest you consult existing EU directives to update your
information :

Directive 2000/31/EC:
http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/pri/en/oj/dat/2000/l_178/l_
17820000717en00010016.pdf

Directive 2002/58/EC:
http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/pri/en/oj/dat/2002/l_201/l_
20120020731en00370047.pdf

Yours sincerely.

osv. osv.

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Andrew
--
*** The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of my employer. ***
* Software Engineer Andrew Engels Rump * BLIK og ROERarbejderforbundet *
* Immerkaer 42, 2650 Hvidovre * Tlf: +45 3638 3638, Fax: +45 3638 3639 *
Home: N55°41'38.9" E12°29'08.6" (WGS 84) Work: N55°39'50.9" E12°27'47.4"
E-mail: mailto:newandrew@rump.dk WWW http://www.rump.dk/homepage/andrew/

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After drinking 3 Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters, "Gert Ohl" <news@ohl.dk>
mumbled in news:O3qda.9078$Wg.7878@news.get2net.dk:
> "Andrew Engels Rump (formerly Leif Andrew Rump)" <newandrew@rump.dk>
> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:Xns933FF104E4BBAnewandrewrumpdk@212.242.40.196...
>> Mit firma modtog nedenstående e-mail - lad os kalde det spam, som
>> jeg nu har brugt en del tid på at efterforske - så jeg beder om
>> kvalificerede svar, som jeg med "sikkerhed" (intet er 100%) kan
>> European Directive 2002/58/EC
>> concerning "Privacy and electronic communications"
>> only permits e-mail direct marketing where
>> individuals have given their prior consent.
> Vi modtog idag 316 af disse, indenfor 1 time, alle sendt til
> forskellige personer i firmaet de kommer fra 4 forskellige
> server med domæne is.kpn.be.

Urg! Hvornår modtog I dem? Jeg kan se at der nu er kommet 3
SpamCop-rapporter på samme spam, så spammerens server er havnet
i SCBL - men der bliver den kun en kort tid - medmindre der kommer
flere rapporter! Skriv evt. til mig, hvis du ikke ved hvordan du
skal anmelde dem.

Og så kan det jo være at internet udbyderen smider ham af - jeg
sendte jo først en Spam(Cop)-rapport - lad os kalde den STRIKE ONE!

Nedenstående er det som spammerens internet udbyder sendte til ham
(og mig) - lad os kalde det STRIKE TWO - næste gang bliver det vel
THREE STRIKES AND YOU ARE OUT!

[Headeren er verificeret og kommer fra udbyderen og jeg har skrevet
tilbage og fået tilladelse til at vise mailen til spammeren]

Dear Mr. Poncelet,

The NETnet (formerly KPN Belgium) Acceptable Use Policy states
the following:

3.1. The Customer is forbidden to send e-mail to any person who
does not wish to receive it. It is explicitly prohibited to send
or to collect the responses from unsolicited bulk mail message of
any kind or to post the same or similar messages to large numbers
of newsgroups (behavior commonly referred to as "spamming").

(to be found at http://www.kpn.be/aup)

Which means that the EU directives are not relevant to us,
by signing a contract with NETnet you accepted to use our
IP network according to the rules of our AUP.

Therefor we're insisting to cease the ask-for-permission-requests
as they are unsollicited. There's is no way to be sure the
recipient wants to receive your e-mail even if it does not
contain any commercial information. Not applying to the AUP
may result in suspence or cancellation of the service if
warnings are neglected.

We advise you to use a procedure where people actively
subscribe to your mailings, eg. a form on your website
with e-mail validation.

We do appreciate your efforts to respect the privacy of
the recipients although we wish to bring our AUP to your
attention, as this seems to have been neglected in this case.

Please do not hesitate to contact us if your have further
questions.


Andrew
--
*** The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of my employer. ***
* Software Engineer Andrew Engels Rump * BLIK og ROERarbejderforbundet *
* Immerkaer 42, 2650 Hvidovre * Tlf: +45 3638 3638, Fax: +45 3638 3639 *
Home: N55°41'38.9" E12°29'08.6" (WGS 84) Work: N55°39'50.9" E12°27'47.4"
E-mail: mailto:newandrew@rump.dk WWW http://www.rump.dk/homepage/andrew/

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On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 09:14:06 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Engels Rump (formerly Leif
Andrew Rump) wrote:


> Which means that the EU directives are not relevant to us,
> by signing a contract with NETnet you accepted to use our
> IP network according to the rules of our AUP.

Det er da sådan at man kan forstå det.

Flere af den slags ISP'ere, tak.

--
Med Venlig Hilsen
Bruno Christensen